To use some suitable SLAP terminology this part was very SHALOM! A project put out by the lovely people over at Dolores magazine. And some filming by many a Place affiliate. Ofer is sick, his skating is very solid and the co-signs he gets can only lead us to believe he is a solid person as well.
Two exclusives on one day!
Santa must be coming your way.
And what does he bring?
A golden microphone for you to sing.
Tunes, all you want with the fam.
Alone or together with your nan.
Karaoke Round Two is what they call it.
And on a curb is where they stall it.
From the land below the levels of the sea.
They grind, slide and flip for you and me.
They are a group of skaters just doing what they love to do.
Now drop this digital paper and lay it away.
And watch Ziggy Schaap’s present for you today.
Whether you drop the needle or press play, either way, you can be sure that you’ll sing yourself into the next day.
Hungover, tired, or just sick of all the food, tomorrow you’ll wake up in a great Christmas mood.
Poem by Roland Hoogwater
Photo by Pieter Verburgt
Film & Edit by Ziggy Schaap.
Interview by Roland Hoogwater.
Our third and last Unsigned Hype, Pascal Moelaert is one of the oldest 19-year-olds I have ever met. And through reading this interview you will see that he hangs around and talks a lot with people that are about 10 years older than him. At the same time, Ziggy Schaap is one of the youngest 29-year-olds I have ever met. Living the life he wants, when he wants, and enjoying it around the way. Pascal is the serious one. Even though he handles everything with humor and irony, he does really care. Ziggy is more of a whatever works type of guy. Together they are the youngest and oldest people in this project and somehow it makes so much sense to close this first series with them. We hope you agree.
So, great first question where did you guys first meet?
P & Z: Tinder! (laughs)
Z: You know it!
Regular like or Super like?
P&Z: Regular like.
Z: I am more of a Bumble guy normally though, the people on there seem a bit more interesting.
P: I liked him on accident.
Who proposed to meet up first?
P: I did. I told him I was going on skate camp and he said he was going there as well, taking photos.
Z: You were still a minor, you were 12 years old, I was 22.
(Laughs) Who made the first move?
P: I did, a Backside Smith grind on a ledge. And he asked me if he could shoot it.
Z: That photo might still exist. But after camp, we kept in touch and saw each other at contests. The next big thing was a skate trip around Europe. The parents and their children just camped and skated around. Again I was taking the photos. I think after that, we did Pascals On the Roll video part. That was at 13.
Ziggy you are single. How is 2020 dating life and what about you Pascal, dating much?
P: No, I was partying a bit much during summer but there hasn’t been much dating going on.
No art school trips?
P: Nah, I had to stop drinking, it was getting too crazy.
Did you feel the pressure growing up, quitting alcohol at 19?
P: Who said anything about stopping, I am having a beer right now (laughs). But the hangovers were pretty heavy so I had to cut down. Less and less is better for me.
Random one, what political party would you guys vote for?
P: Green party (Groen Links)
Z: I don’t really vote.
P: You can’t trust people that say that. They secretly vote rightwing for sure (laughs). But do the people that read Place really care about politics?
Ok, point-taken, let me ask a standard skate question then, who did the best line ever at Paleis van Justitie (Pascal’s favorite ledge plaza in The Hague).
P: Ricardo Paterno, I told him that too. I went to his office recently, he works with Sami El-Hassani who films for POP as well. We watched his Colorblind part together. He was shining, it must have felt good for him to relive that. He did say the last trick in that line was sketchy but he also revealed that he did the first trick about a hundred times. His skating deserves some props in this interview.
Sure, Pascal, your dad was a big factor in your younger skateboard days right?
P: Not really, he was around, he just brought me to all the contests, went to skate-camps with me. But he would just chill.
Z: I saw him on the sidelines at contests screaming “COME ON PASCAL!” (laughs).
Your TM for Spitfire (Niels) wanted to know what happened to you and skating handrails? Nowadays you stay with low-impact tricks.
P: I am not as young as I used to be (laughs). But for real, I always felt like I had this label of being a rail skater. So when I was young, I always would be taken to rail spots, and because of that label, I would also try things that at some point I just wasn’t that stoked on trying anymore. Like when I did that video with Luci (Lucas Jankoshek) we filmed a lot of ledge-lines but I still felt like I needed that ender to be a rail trick. So, I did that, and afterwards, I just knew I didn’t like it anymore. So I faded it out of my skating.
Z: You also stopped skating contests and parks and started street skating more.
You also skated for Enjoi (flow) for a bit.
P: That was Ricardo Paterno’s doing. Skatestore had a distribution behind it and they had all of these shops in the Netherlands but they also had their top Dutch skaters on this three-star team. So, Paterno was talking to me and he said: “I am leaving as TM but the last thing I want to do is elevate you to that level and get you some good deals.” So it was a board brand, truck, and wheel sponsor offer. And he asked me who I wanted to ride for. I said Krooked, Thunder, Spitfire. So, I started telling people that I had those sponsors. Like a really stoked little kid, and a week after Ricardo called me and said: “Yo, we thought about it and we feel like Enjoi would be better for you.” I was bummed for a bit, but he explained that back then Dwindle was more open to adding European riders to the actual team. I ended up, saying yes to that deal, and rode for Enjoi for a couple of years. I think I quit when I stopped skating rails.
My taste just changed so much, I got into Alex Olson & Hjalte’s skating. That was right before Bianca Chandon started. So, I just changed and wanted to skate boards I liked. So, instead, I was buying Krooked and Polar boards.
Your last part in “Likkie Wax” was also a joint effort between the two of you. Do you feel that your skating changed again from 2018 to now?
P: I think so, maybe.
Z: I think, that you were doing a lot of the same things but you curate your tricks better now.
I think there are some big differences. You did a lot of combo’s in that part and this part doesn’t have that many.
P: That was Thaynan Costa’s influence on me. He was early with a lot of those things. I went to this DC thing in the Netherlands and Ziggy was the spot guide. He invited me to come along, I already got Nike SB flow at the time but he wanted me to join anyway. Ziggy took us to this ledge spot and Thaynan was doing all of the cool combo’s and I thought that he was so sick. That day I managed to learn noseslide to 50-50.
I think for this part I toned that down because I did it so much and I wanted to show another newer part of my skating in this video part.
It seems like this one has more flip ins or flip outs.
P: I watched Fully Flared and got totally inspired (laughs). Joking, but I did start doing wheelies more for this part.
Z: I see a lot of Hjalte in your skating now. Hjalte’s tricks and Alex Olson’s ironic attitude.
P: I wouldn’t say that but if someone else wants to (laughs). I just like to watch Alex’s footage, I don’t want to copy him. Although I did skate a bowl yesterday and I did have that Alex type of vibe. (doesn’t laugh)
Ziggy, you started as a photographer but you moved on to also include filming. When did that interest spark?
Z: I started documenting at 11 and I just did photos until 16. After that, I bought a VX1000. So since then, it has been a wave motion of me doing one more than the other, but I never really totally sideline one. Right now I am packing a bag with both video and photo equipment. I just want to keep challenging myself and often after a long time working on a video project I find myself wanting to pack flashes.
Those bags are heavy, so how are you carrying these items? A backpack, or a trolley case?
Z: I have seen some professional photographers slam really hard with those
trolley cases so I prefer fucking up my back with the backpack.
Back to you Pascal, a lot of people know you because of those POP clips, but how did you get on POP?
P: There was this skate-premiere in Rotterdam in 2018. On the day of the premiere, I was skating in my local park. I ended up twisting my ankle pretty bad but I still wanted to go because they had a sick afterparty. But I couldn’t walk so I stayed home.
That evening Ziggy wrote to me and told me Peter Kolks (Who does POP) had given him a big bag of products for me to wear. So the next day I texted Peter and thanked him. He just told me “All good, I hope you like it.”, So I was wearing the gear a lot and I ended up seeing Peter and Ric van Rest (Co-owner of POP) again and they told me I was at the top of their list to get some seeding again. That got me pretty hyped. A week later I get a text from Peter, “Yo, we have this filming weekend with the whole team, and if you want, you can join us.” So I was hyped, A try-out. Chima Chibueze was also on that trip to try out.
I arrived, met the guys, and got a big bag of stuff. But I noticed none of the regular filmers were there because I knew both Jan Maarten Sneep (memory screen) and Sami El Hassani from Rotterdam. So instead of them, Mouse was there (OG filmer from The Netherlands) But instead of a real cam, he had a GoPro on him (laughs). That fucked me up mentally, I just couldn’t really skate because of the GoPro and I didn’t end up doing much.
So the next weekend I see that they are on a filming trip again and Chima is there and I am sitting at home bored. So I was like, damn I didn’t make the cut. Later that week I went filming with Sneep and I told him that story.
About a month later Sneep went to Paris with the POP squad to film. So on the first night, something rare happened. Sneep got really drunk and he went up to Peter and started saying things like “Why isn’t Pascal on, you guys should give him another chance. He would fit.”, which if you know Sneep is not a typical thing for him to do or say.
After that trip, I get a DM from Peter and we get talking and I had asked Ric if I could intern at the store so Peter was like “Oh, so we can go skate together. How long is the internship for, a week?” I told him it was for 4-months and he was like – ok. So I arrive and I get new gear again. So my internship is about to start and I get added to the POP group-chat together with Rob Maatman. We get the whole welcome to the team introduction on Whatsapp but I am still thinking this is because I am about to start my internship (laughs). I thought they were talking about the team that works for the company. So later that week I was talking to Bats and he was like “No man, you are on the team.” So a drunken Sneep and my internship got me there. If it wasn’t for those two things it might have never worked out. This was around the time Jair Gravenberch & Ali Belhadj were working on their 4:3 part and at the time they didn’t have too much footage so they asked me if I wanted to film a little something as well. And I ended up getting a whole bunch of clips. That was all during my internship.
But big up to Sneep for getting really drunk and getting loose (laughs).
That is truly a rare thing. Sneep and you go back a long way.
P: We do, we met by me doing a No-Comply pressure flip when I was 10 and a mutual friend was like “Hold up, wait here.” he fetched Sneep and said “do it again” and I did and Sneep was hyped because that was his trick and I just happen to learn it.
I always looked up to him. Jan was the filmer & editor behind Bombaklats the skate video of my youth (Pascal is 19). So back to Ricardo he put me on the same skate shop Sneep skated for around the time the first Bombaklats video came out. Sneep worked in the shop and I went to get a board and he had made Bombaklats griptape and he asked me if I wanted one. I was so stoked, I was like “Really? can I have one?” He gave me the grip and he made the video. I guess he liked my skating so we ended up filming for the second Bombaklats video.
I met Sneep even before I met Ziggy. I was ten when I did that no-comply pressure flip and freshly sponsored by Left. Luckily Ricardo saved me (laughs). Bombaklats is a big part of me.
Even though your most footage has been with Ziggy & Sneep some of your most fun footage is with Lucas Jankoshek, even dating back to your early days. He is one of two guest filmers on this project. Can you tell us a bit about this Vienna connection?
P: I met him through Ziggy, Luci was studying at KABK in Den Haag, and we went skating in Rotterdam. I think Fabi (Luci’s twin brother) was there too. We didn’t talk much but he ended up inviting me to go skate, so I went down to meet him. We ended up talking the whole day, I think I was like 14. He told me it was his last week in the Netherlands. So he wanted to get some clips with me. So we met up at my favorite spot Paleis van Justitie in Den Haag and we got like 6 clips in one day. That week we met up 2 more times, once in Rotterdam and once in Den Haag again and we filmed that little part in three days.
After he left he invited Ziggy, Justin Wagenaar, and I to visit him in Vienna. So we did that and ever since it has been back and forth. Vienna is the best city. Great people out there.
I like the city to but I never manage to connect with Luci when I was there. Except when we filmed that Eat Your Veggies. We do talk on the text.
P: Damn, so you are more of a Louis (Marschall) guy?
I don’t know, I get along with them all. But Louis seems to have more free time.
The last visit was to get something in Vienna for this part and that was the first time I felt like I wasn’t visiting anymore. I was just doing my own thing. But the fact that you see Luci in my part means a lot to me. He is Vienna for me. He has always been the reason I went there.
Toni Donau makes an appearance too.
P: True, he is a fan (laughs).
Ziggy, recently you started your own brand Karaoke what is going on with that?
Z: Well, I just was out filming a bunch and I told Rob (Maatman) that I felt it was a shame he never really filmed a real part. So Rob put in some work and I felt like I needed an outlet for my film & photo work so I put that towards a brand. We put out some hardware and some t-shirts together with a video in July and the new video and merch will drop mid-December.
P: A lot of good stuff. Look at me doing a Place Magazine job (laughs).
Z: My problem has always been that I have always had the urge to do everything: filming, editing, photography, and music. Now I wanted to streamline that into one thing. So instead of giving my content to other platforms, I wanted to create a space for myself. We went to Split with a crew and those people formed the basis for the brand.
Can you tell me about your dog Chip to whom this part is dedicated?
P: It started with Ziggy and me planning to film 8 millimeter with the dog and we took Chip for a walk and filmed him doing his thing and about a month later he ended up dying of old age. He was 10 years old and the feeling of losing him was weird because I grew up together with that dog. So to have that documented was special. We have a new dog now, but I will move out soon so you know that bond won’t be the same.
So in some ways, this is also your most personal part to date.
P: Yeah, I mean Likkie wax (a little wax) what does that have to do with me? I never wax, I just go faster (laughs).
Since 2020 got cancelled big time we can proudly look back on the year 2019. Watch Vienna’s most productive crew take a trip to Kassel / Germany, the Alphen DIY & The Netherlands.
Featuring Pascal Moelaert, Ziggy Schaap, Justin Wagener and Turtle Production’s Luci, Fabi, Gabs, Sven & Bjorn.
Ziggy’s first outing after the Karaoke full length is all about fun fun fun!
After Rob’s part from this video last week we now get the full thing, “the whole song and dance” as they say.
Props to all involved in creating something new something to cherish and build off in the future!
Rob Maatman on his own this time but not without a new sponsor Karaoke which is a new project by dutch entrepreneur Ziggy Schaap.
What does this 7-minute part bring us “the viewers”? Well, it is probably Rob’s most line heavy part ever! Which is something that we quite like because nothing shows style better than some good lines and Mr. Maatman gives us some great ones in this part. Enjoy!
Fun fact: New York was once New Amsterdam, founded by the Dutch before the British took it over and further shaped the city that we now know NYC to be. Traveling through the Big Apple you can still see street names, landmarks and whole areas named after places in Holland.
One of those places is Harlem, which derives its name from a city in the Netherlands called Haarlem and that is where this video was shot.
Bastiaan and his crew put together this video to show us all that it is still “Haarlem baby that’s wassup!”
It is well known that we have a lot of love for the Viennese shelled crew of skaters lead by Lucas Jankoschek. We talked to him last time he dropped a video and support his efforts now that he went back and used the quarantine to create specific content for us to enjoy.
Thanks to all of you turtles and stay in your shell!
When we talk about people deserving things we can often be lead by our emotions. His last part was crazy, he has been going viral on Instagram, he is so sick he should be pro, this guy is super stylish why doesn’t he have a pro model shoe?
But what constitutes being worthy to receive a pro shoe? Many legends have one like AVE or Steve Cab, SOTY Kyle Walker has one and Gilbert Crockett has one with very creative 1940’s sport-fashion inspired colors. It is not really that defined why or when one is ready to ascend but in our humble opinion Rowan has done more than enough to get his signature style.
To celebrate the occasion Vans said, “Build it and they will come!” so Opperclaes did as commanded. And as was said, they did come and shredded R.O.W.A.N. for a day.
All in all, a really cool idea done really well. The atmosphere was great, the music was alive and the session was eventful! Now press play and let R.O.W.A.N. show you what he’s got.
Robbin de Wit
Pablo de la Place
Tor van Eysendeyk
Special thanks to Jan Maarten Sneep for the video, Ziggy Schaap for the photos & Vans Off The Wall for the support.
If you have been following Ziggy’s Horizontal series this video should give you a “Deja Vu” type of feeling.
Jan Maarten Sneep, Marthyn Guiljam, Reyndert Guiljam, Remco Stolze, Robbin de Wit, Jip Koorevaar, Pascal Moelaert, Roland Hoogwater, Sebastiaan Vijverberg, Jeremy van der Eijk, Jesse Voerman, Thomas van den Hoeven, Justin Wagener & Bastiaan van Zadelhoff
Ziggy is blessing us with another episode of his Horizontal series, which is becoming a weekly thing it seems like.
Feat.: Pascal Moelaert, Rob Maatman, Justin Wagener, Robbin de Wit, Rens Verbruggen, Jan Maarten Sneep, Thomas van den Hoeven, Dana van der Geer, Sebastiaan Vijverberg & Alex van Zwietering.
An interview with Lucas Jankoschek by Roland Hoogwater.
Turtle Times is a series of videos, a project, based around three things, skateboarding, friends & turtles. Lucas is the filmer, one of the skaters & the editor of this (for now) last video in the “Turtle Times” series. We really love turtles and we really love the way Lucas documents and edits it so we dropped a line and managed to talk to the man himself.
Hey how are you, what are you up to?
I’m good, editing the video right now since the premiere is on Friday. It’s all a bit last minute because the premiere of my other video was two weeks ago and I’m kind of in the middle of an editing-marathon to get everything done before winter. It’s been a stressful week but it’s all good.
What do you still need to do until the video is ready for the premiere?
I still have to finish up two animations, the trailer and the friends part. Ziggy (Schaap), Pascal (Moelaert) and Justin (Wagener) are featured as well. They were here in Vienna last and this September and managed to get some footage.
I was actually at Ziggy’s place in Leiden when the last ‘Turtle Times’ episode premiered.
So you stayed at Ziggy’s house? It’s a cozy place right?
Yeah for sure. At the time they weren’t even sure they were going to be featured in that episode of ‘Turtle Times’ or the next one. But it was super fun hanging and skating together with Pascal and the others. This short stay in the Netherlands during the Vans Shop Riot contest allowed me to connect with people there and also get some social media coverage for Placemag. A lot of people still think of Place as a German skate mag but really it’s become half German and half Dutch.
That’s cool that you guys can do that in Germany. My friend does a mag here in Austria (ABD Magazine) and earns next to nothing, the skateboard industry just isn’t as present here as it seems to be in Germany.
Yeah, I’ve never been to Vienna but from what I’ve heard it’s a great place to skate however the rest of Austria seems to be different, right?
Definitely. Vienna isn’t Austria, it kind of stands for itself. Everything else around Vienna isn’t really worth our while, which is why we don’t travel much within Austria. It’s so different from the Netherlands in that regard. There you can just skate all these cities by hopping on a train. It feels like one big spread-out city.
It kind of is. The next city is always just a 20-minute train ride away, the same goes for where Ziggy lives.
That’s what I really enjoyed about the Netherlands. You can just meet up with people in different cities, regardless of borders even. It’ so sick.
I agree, but I’ve heard that the sidewalks and streets in Vienna are better for skating.
Yeah, everything here is super smooth. Sure there are a few rough spots here and there but technically you could push anywhere, it’s great.
Are you originally from Vienna?
Nah. I’m from Eisenstadt a small town near the border of Hungary. I was born in Vienna though and have been back in the city since 2013.
I see. So how did Turtle Times actually start?
So basically I put out a full-length video in 2015 with all my close friends and homies in it, the OG-turtle-crew so to speak. Two years later I put out another full-length video this time however with a bunch of different people in it. Everybody in Vienna kind of heard I was filming for a second video and started hitting me up. I was super hyped on that on the one hand but on the other hand, the OG crew was kind of neglected and I felt like the whole project was getting a bit too big for comfort. It almost felt like a burden at the time although I’m very happy with the results. So after I put that video out I thought to myself I wouldn’t do that kind of video format again. I also wanted to focus more on my close friends again and only film with people I enjoy skating with. This lead me to choose an episode format that works so much better on a lot of levels. Around that time I also received a call from Dallas (Rockvam) asking me if we wanted to film a part, so it all sort of came together organically. What’s important to me when it comes to the episodes is that they should highlight the different personalities and individual people we have in our crew. Every episode is centered around two or three people which allows me to choose the music and structure my project much more freely than if it were a full-length. It’s just easier to integrate ideas into an episode format. With a full-length, I have to stuff in a lot of different people, styles, music, etc. into one video which just has a mixed-up mess as a result. With episodes, I can just plan each one as a portrait of an individual.
So the episodes are tailored to specific people.
Which means you don’t have to mix n’ match all these different people anymore.
What about Budapest though?
We went there once last year.
Dallas had a few tricks in that one as well right?
Yeah, he joined us later on the Budapest-trip. Originally the idea was to go to Budapest just to film for Dallas’ part, but somehow it turned into an entire tour edit in ‘Turtle Times’ episode 2. Yeah, so Dallas arrived a bit after us, stacked four clips in two hours and then chilled out the entire rest of the trip drinking beers. It was sick! He definitely delivered.
I really enjoyed his part. It might be his last one though.
Yeah, he did just have a second child. Do you know Dallas personally?
A little bit.
He’s a cool dude for sure. We visited him at his house in the woods for his part. It was important for me to incorporate his personality or at least his personal background into his part. A sort of skate portrait if you will.
Cool. And do you make the animations for the videos yourself?
Yes, I do those myself, actually, I pretty much do everything myself (laughs). I’m not really the type of person to watch endless tutorials or acquire and then familiarize myself with some sort of new software. I don’t have the patience for all that. So a few years back I just started drawing on paper then filmed that with my VX, then captured that and finally retouched everything in photoshop… basically it was super tedious and complicated. I’ve learned a lot over the years though and now I just draw on a digital notepad and then animate that with photoshop. Mostly it’s a frame-by-frame animation so basically a lot of drawings put after each other.
Yeah, I’ve noticed your animations have gotten a lot better over time.
Thanks, I’m really happy with how they are turning out now too.
They’ve also become much more involved in the episodes. During the transitions and stuff, especially the last episode it seemed like you reached a new level of animation.
Thanks, man. I’m glad to hear that. I’m going to the art university in Vienna and took an animation class, so I’ve been animating a lot lately, which really improved my animations overall.
What do you do at the art university?
I’m studying art for teaching: I’m going to be an art professor in schools (laughs).
I’m currently writing my diploma thesis which is why the two ‘Turtle Times’ premieres are set so close to each other so I can finish my thesis after I’m done with the videos. I’ll have to hurry up a little bit.
So why is it called ‘Turtle Times’? Why not ‘Cat Times’ for example?
That all started way back when I was maybe ten or twelve. People started saying I looked like a turtle or that I ate like a turtle. Even back then I had always wanted a VX and when I finally got one, I put out my first clip and ironically called it ‘Turtle Productions’. The name stuck and that’s also how the turtle animations came to be.
Ah okay, that makes sense. I think the turtle figure and name have a strong brand recognition, the turtle kind of ties everything together.
Yeah, that’s something really important to me. It shouldn’t be just about skating, it needs something in-between to ease it up.
I also have some questions from Ziggy for you.
Oh really? (laughs)
I’m supposed to ask you about a tinder story about a local legend called Sven (Friend from Kassel) which involves lighting a car on fire?
(laughs) I don’t even know if I’m allowed to tell this story but if Ziggy asked for it, it should be fine. So basically Sven really got into tinder when he moved to Vienna and naturally has a lot of stories. One of them is that he and his date took ecstasy and broke into a car in a parking lot we sometimes skate in the winter. Which seemed to start kind of romantic at first turned out to be a total disaster. His date apparently was an outspoken feminist and got triggered by something in that car, which promptly led her to light it on fire. Being super high that whole scenario was obviously a bit much for Sven and I remember him telling me he listened to all the news reports the next day to make sure nothing serious had happened. After they ran off the fire should have gone out by itself anyways. I don’t think the car exploded or anything nor I‘m not sure how the date kept on going after the car-fire-action (laughs).
(laughs) He also has another question for you: why do you clean your kitchen ten times a day?
This fucking Ziggy guy, haha. I can just focus better in a clean environment. My kitchen is my kingdom you know? If I make my oatmeal in the morning it has to be clean.
I get that. Another question was: Who would win in a fight, Pascal or Ziggy?
Huh. That’s a tough one. Pascal’s pretty tall but Ziggy might be stronger. I think Ziggy would win though, he has more life experience. Pascal still needs to learn a thing or two. Go Ziggy!
Another question, or maybe it’s more of a demand, is: when will the iPhone-holiday-road-trip-video drop?
Ah fuck, sorry boys! It’s definitely coming. I promise. I’m just in the middle of an editing-marathon as I said. No time for anything else right now.
And how many more ‘Turtle Times’ episodes are planned for the future?
This is the last episode as far as I planned it out for now.
So no more ‘Turtle Times’?
Yeah, the ‘Turtle Times’ series has come to an end. Time for something new. For now, I have to finish my diploma thesis and then we’ll see what projects might come my way next year. What I can say is that I definitely won’t stop filming, however, I would like to try out some new things, maybe approach a project with a specific concept already in mind. Maybe shift the focus more towards filming or animation. I think the coolest thing would be to make an entire animated film. That would be a dream come true!
Yeah, that makes sense.
We kind of reinvigorated the whole crew vibe because we were all skating and filming a lot together this year and I think we will carry that vibe into the new year. So the next project will probably happen naturally because of that I guess.
So what will the last ‘Turtle Times’ episode look like?
This episode contains of three parts and some friends sections. My twin brother Fabi, Gabs and I will have full parts and of course, all the OG crew members are in there too. This ‘Turtle Times’ episode is the one I cherish the most I think. I started filming with Gabs two years ago. So finally releasing that footage is special to me. Plus my twin brother who hadn’t really been skating last year was overcome by skate fever this spring and filmed a whole part. That was really nice to see, not to mention that the level of skating and that of the animations have greatly improved.
So this is definitely your piece de resistance!
(Laughs) Yeah, sort of my final showdown. I had actually thought about naming it that but in the end, it felt like that was a bit over the top.
I think so too because then the next project will ruin the whole final showdown thing.
Yeah pretty much.
But does it have a name yet?
Nah. I still have to make my mind up about that. I talked to Ziggy and came to the conclusion that numbers just tend to confuse people so I’ll definitely give the video a name and not just call it ‘Turtle Times – episode 4’.
Alright. Is there anything else you want to share or let me know about?
I think that pretty much wraps it up. I don’t think I have anything left to add. Thanks for the opportunity to have this interview, cheers!
Ziggy‘s second installment from his “Horizontal” series is here, a weekend with Bastiaan & the Jumpramps. Featuring: Justin Wagener, Remco Stolze, Pascal Moelaert, Mike van Anrooy, Billy Hoogendijk, Jip Koorevaar, Bastiaan van Zadelhoff, Jeremy van der Eijk, Alex van Zwietering.
We usually don’t talk to police and even when in court did not say a word but our very own Roland Hoogwater recently broke that rule while he was visiting a few friends back in his motherland, just to get a few clips for Ziggy Schaaps new series “Horizontal”. Fair enough!
The first one comes with Sebastiaan Vijverberg, Pascal Moelaert, Alex van Zwietering, Myself, Jip Koorevaar & Noah Bunink skating Amsterdam & Den Haag.
Enjoy all the dutchies and their indoor hills!
If you don’t know Ziggy Schaap by now you might not follow European skateboarding. Over the years he has been a Dutch mainstay, first and foremost as a photographer but now it seems he has found his way through the world of moving images. We have had the pleasure of premiering multiple of his video works in the last 2 years and with his latest video on the horizon, we wanted to ask him some questions.
Images by Ziggy Schaap & Martijn van Velden.
Interview by Roland Hoogwater.
Facetime rings… Ziggy picks up.
Hey man, how are you?
I am good, just came home, slept in Rotterdam, about to start working. Skatedeluxe costumer hotline! If you want you can call me via the Skatedeluxe line (laughs).
(laughs)… Let’s shoot, first question: Why did you make this video?
Why did I make the “No Service” video? Well, basically it was to get people to skate outside of the skateparks. Indoor parks are cool to practice and film for Insta but they do get repetitive and you can’t really make something there film wise.
So this project provided me with something to do during the winter time.
So I started thinking and concluded that there haven’t been many videos that have been filmed completely inside a (multiple) parking garage.
To me skating a parking garage is pretty Dutch. People do it often especially in places where there are no indoor skateparks and it rains a lot over here.
I also thought it would be fun to limit myself to one particular type of thing and the number and sorts of spots a garage provides.
Makes sense, so how many places did you visit during the making of this video?
We went to different cities… I think we started in Den Haag skating with Justin Wagenaar en Sebastiaan Vijverberg around station De Laan van Nieuw Oost-Indië. That day we skated 2 or 3 different locations and that is when I got the idea for the video.
So during the filming, a lot of people heard about the idea and decided to join our sessions.
I think the video is mostly Den Haag because we found a large number of underground garages there but we also went to multiple in Rotterdam, one in Amsterdam which was filled with spots, Utrecht, Leiden where we have the deepest underground garage in Europe, Antwerp, Tilburg & Haarlem.
What was the best spot?
Hard to say probably the whole area where we started in Den Hague because there a multiple spots, it is not a place where people really live, so fewer complaints but it depends on what you like.
The thing is there where “spots” but a lot of the places you can skate are curbs and mannie pads. Which some people can skate great but others don’t really like or can’t. So it depends on the skater.
How did you know which cities to visit? Or did you randomly go to places to check?
The one in Tilburg, for instance, I knew because I had filmed a “day in the life” there back in the day. Bram van Halteren showed me that garage because it was raining and we wanted to show his skating during his DITL.
Inside there is a long near perfect ledge and to top it all of, the police came and said that they liked what we where doing so we could stay and film uninterrupted.
We all knew a couple and as the project went on people like Bastiaan van Zadelhoff went in a couple to check for spots but we also went randomly looking for spots or used Google-Maps. In Haarlem, for instance, we visited a place and afterward, we googled Q-park and sometimes people add foto’s to the google thing and we found some spots that way too.
How long did the whole process take… start to finish?
I think the first clip was filmed at the end of November the start of December. So, a little over 2 months, which is pretty fast for a 12-minute video.
Plus a 6-minute promo.
True, I like that too but in some ways, it is not really a promo because I basically used all of Rob Maatman’s footage in the video so he is not a real presence in the promo. They both have their own vibe.
What about the vibe of the project, obviously a parking garage is mostly void of sunlight.
Well, it did really take shape during the making of it but the VX camera truly has a different look when you take it inside. The video quality becomes crusty but at the same time that fits the environment because these places were dusty, oily and generally dirty. We often came home with our hands black with all kinds of dirt.
What about the limitations? Was filming on a sunny rooftop allowed?
We discussed that multiple times, the clip is called “No Service” because underground our cellphones would not be working but in fact, we were filming on a garage rooftop where we had 4g and 4 bars of connection. Only Rob really has outside clips but I felt it worked within the video, I did think about taking it out but it ended up feeling right to leave it in.
Is this video your version of Yoan Taillandier’s Minuit, where people start in the night and the last clips end when the sun comes up?
Maybe in some ways, it is, I actually edited some parts inspired by that video. An example is after the first part there is a segment where it shows the guys leaving the garage (3:08) and then we see some rainy shots and that ends with the guys going back inside. I don’t know if people will see that inspiration because it is abstract but it is there.
Now they will (laughs). What about the crew?
I never start anything with a crew in mind, it always seems to grow organically.
I actually never really filmed a project with Rob Maatman and Robbin de Wit before and that is always exciting to film with new people and see what they bring to the table.
What about time, because of the lights there is less of a sensation of time, did you guys get caught up in some real late night sessions?
Well, a lot of the times we went in when it was light and because our cell phones did not really work we often ended up skating together for a way longer time. Obviously, we would still be able to tell time but you don’t really get disturbed by messages as much as you normally would.
In a way, you are more together when you don’t have people looking at their phones.
It did feel like that at times, also you had to be at the meetup-spot on time because you could depend on a quick message or call.
With the amount of fencing and security at some of these places, it was important to know the right way in. Even though we would obviously, drop a pin before going in things were not as usual.
Last year you released “Alles Wisselt”, The End & Memories all three have a concept behind them, this one does as well. Is that a coincidence?
Well… I have too many ideas and often I end up just doing something. “Alles Wisselt” and “No Service” both had a plan behind them but The End & Memories just happened. They are connected but not outspokenly so, for me they have to do with Love. “The End” has that song “Skeeter Davis – The End of The World (1962)” which is about the feeling when someone leaves you. Memories has a Leonard Cohen song which looks back on relationships of the past singing “won’t you let me see your naked body…” but with this video I kind of left that idea for a bit.
Alright, what about the music, this video features only Dutch music.
The first Instagram trailer did not have a Dutch spoken song but even at that stage, I knew I wanted to finish the video with a Herman van Veen song.
So two weeks back we were editing and Bastiaan van Zadelhoff put on some crazy Dutch tunes and proposed only using those type of songs. To be honest, between the rainy days, skating indoors it felt right to use Dutch music with this video, it strengthened it as a whole.
Did you learn anything weird about parking garages during the making of this project?
The Netherlands is known as a flat country but through this project, we found out all our downhills are hidden indoors.
Gx1000 could have happened in the low countries.
Closing question, you had a goal to do something in the winter and stay out of the beaten path (indoor skateparks) but at the end of the project, the sun started shining again. Where there ever times where you reluctantly entered a dark garage when you really wanted to skate outside?
That happened for sure! (laughs). We really had a couple of days where we would have skated outside had it not been for this. People were complaining “it is great weather, do we really need to go inside?” but we all knew we needed a bit more to finish the project so we did stay true. In the end, we really did survive winter the best way possible*.
I believe you, thanks Ziggy!
Besides flying to a warm country
Want more? Check out Ziggy’ full length “Likkie Wax” that we launched together last year.
Next week Ziggy Schaap will be premiering his new video “No Service”, today we have the promo to hype you up. Tomorrow we have a full interview with Ziggy about his upcoming project, past projects, and even the future.
Now, get a coffee, sit down and press play to watch some underground ripping.
A while ago we’ve been posting each part separately, but here’s the full thing.
‘Creating Lines’ took place in September of 2018, as a three-day event in Rotterdam. We explored how skateboarding in the Netherlands is constantly changing. With an exhibition about Rotterdam’s skate history, the premiere of our full-length skate video ‘Momentum’ and panel discussions about skateboarding in the Netherlands.
‘Momentum’ consists of five main video parts, made by multiple talented Dutch filmmakers. They were given 6 weeks to make a short video, in which they had to incorporate the theme ‘change’. Jan Maarten Sneep edited all the footage into one coherent piece through various Rotterdam memory screen segments.
Main parts by: Ziggy Schaap & Alex van Zwietering, Edward Cook, Marc Bolhuis, Kadir Küçük & Jan Maarten Sneep.
Unfortunately, all good things must come to an end. “Alles Wisselt” Dutch for everything changes is the final part of the “Creating Lines” Momentum series. This one really combines people of all ages and styles from young Jayden de Lange al the way up to an older and way underappreciated skater like Damiaan “Paco” Winkelman. We would like to thank all that participated for their hard work and great content and we hope you “the viewer” enjoyed it as much as we did.
Alles Wisselt is a short video that translates the theme ‘change’ to different generations in skateboarding. What changes in a normal human life and that of a skateboarder? Our crew consists of skaters with the age of 12 to 36 who all have the same passion, namely skateboarding. We used b-roll shots from the Netherlands Institute for Sound and Vision to show a number of typical things that people of the same age as non-skateboarders do.
After sitting in the car for an hour and a half to Rotterdam, it turned out that Damiaan had forgotten his board, so the session started somewhat disappointing. The majority of the crew was already on their way home but after the hope was almost lost, we came across this spot in a metro stop. Paco (Damiaan) saw his chance and picked up some rad clips on Ziggy’s board, including this nosestall.
Check out all the other “Creating Lines” parts by clicking here.